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scrotum
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 Posted: 12/29/04 - 17:09 Post subject: Americans give too little to foreign aid
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Americans have given 35 million dollars for the Tsunami-help program.
Norway has given 17 million dollars.
America has 300 million people?
Norway has 4.7 million.
The most "giving" to natural disasters such as this are the Scandinavian countries.
25 years ago, UN hoped that rich countries would put aside 0.7 % of their gross national product for foreign aid like this. Only a handful are there, all being European countries, most from Scandinavia. The US only gives
0.13%. Selfish is the right word.
That's pretty cheap of you americans, and Bush(at his ranch on another vacation) was fast in reply when the UN's foreign aid coordinator critized the US for being so cheap.
guess theres not much money left over now that the dollar is at its weakest point in forever, coupled with the national debt. an american expression comes to mind, when i think of you guys' 4 more years:
up the creek.
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Abi
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 17:13 Post subject:
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Guess what d*****t .. 35 mill is just what we are giving TO START Off with .. We already have calls into all of the countries affected and people on the way to access the situation and how much more will be needed. Furthermore the US gave 40% of the TOTAL of ALL COUNTRIES in disaster relief money last year... over 30 billion IIRC...
Really, ballsack.. ONE DAY you need to find a clue...
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Vekril
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 17:16 Post subject:
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little publicized fact:
Those foreign aid numbers only reflect actual monetary donations. Food donations are not included in those figures, and the US is the overwhelming leader in food donations worldwide. Logistical support is not counted either.
Do not forget that the US also funds more than 25% of the UN budget, and our military serves as a world police that allows Socialist nations in Europe to spend all their money on social welfare programs. One reason we do not do as many joint NATO programs anymore - the Euros are so obsolete militarily that it is pointless for them to contribute any equipment at all.
Regarding Norway in particular, just how much of your national wealth comes from the oil under your land? Sure makes it easy to be charitable.
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Confused
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 17:29 Post subject:
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Bush is bypassing the UN and sending US troops to help out. I'm glad those corrupt f*****s won't get any American money. I'm sick of my ta dollars funding corrupt dictators and European rape rooms set up in the Congo.
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:06 Post subject:
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Actually Ive been scrutinizing Bushs reaction to this issue and it looks like hes going to to provide a full and acceptable response to this crisis.
I like to see the world pulling together in times of emergency , its what separates us from monkeys
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Abi
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:08 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | Actually Ive been scrutinizing Bushs reaction to this issue and it looks like hes going to to provide a full and acceptable response to this crisis.
I like to see the world pulling together in times of emergency , its what separates us from monkeys |
I'm suprised you arent complaining about the improper use of the word "Lives" in his speech this morning 
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:10 Post subject:
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No one owes foreign aid to anyone. We're being nice.
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scrotum
Toomuchtimeonhands
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:16 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | Furthermore the US gave 40% of the TOTAL of ALL COUNTRIES in disaster relief money last year... over 30 billion IIRC...
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Abi, we are talking about % of your nation's gross national product. Your country gives far less % than most "rich" countries.
The initial money(the most critical in such a catastrophe) is crucial.
America is giving an initial help of 11.6 cents per American.
Norway is giving an initial help of 3.4 dollars per Norwegian.
| Vekril wrote: |
Food donations are not included in those figures, and the US is the overwhelming leader in food donations worldwide. Logistical support is not counted either. |
Nor are any other countries' help with food or logistics taken into account.
Overwhelming worldwide leader in food doantions? Like I told Abi, the number seems big, but when you divide it up to see how much you are actually giving per capita, its nothing. Big numbers, but cheapass when you take into account how many people it's coming from.
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I'm glad those corrupt f*****s won't get any American money. |
Thing is Confused, the money you are sending over isnt even American. Its most likely a loan from somewhere else, since America has no money, until their debt is paid off. Its dirty money.
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Abi
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:17 Post subject:
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OK so which is it ballsack? America is a rich nation or we have no money? I'm confused...
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:24 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | | OK so which is it ballsack? America is a rich nation or we have no money? I'm confused... |
A little bit of both. Because of America's economic importance lots of Asian countries have been buying huge amounts of american debts, to keep the american currency close to their own (mainly for trade, they need to get rid of their "exports"), But it's been going on for quite a bit, and their own domestic investements have been going up, their own economic stability is coming along. At this point it might be more productive for them to find another "measure" then the dollar. Your low interest rates... you really do owe to Asian countries at this point. It has come to the point that private (Asian!) companies were buying american credit card debts, to make sure the Purchasing Power wouldn't decline ...
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Abi
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:30 Post subject:
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See now you are stepping on my attempt to be funny and make fun of Ballsacks inconsistancies 
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scrotum
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:38 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | | See now you are stepping on my attempt to be funny and make fun of Ballsacks inconsistancies |
America is the self proclaimed richest country in the world, due to your high Gross product.(Americans think they are no.1, but divide all your numbers by americans that contributed, then do that with other "rich" countries and you will see you arent very "rich" at all. Per Capita is always the best way to measure things)
But you are also poor, since your deficit is just f*****g huge. The Euro is gettinf stronger and stronger, and the asians have started to consider seriously, instead of the weak USD.
I'm not being inconsistent at all.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 18:59 Post subject:
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| scrotum wrote: | | Per Capita is always the best way to measure thing |
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kbarr
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 19:32 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | little publicized fact:
Those foreign aid numbers only reflect actual monetary donations. Food donations are not included in those figures, and the US is the overwhelming leader in food donations worldwide. Logistical support is not counted either.
Do not forget that the US also funds more than 25% of the UN budget, and our military serves as a world police that allows Socialist nations in Europe to spend all their money on social welfare programs. One reason we do not do as many joint NATO programs anymore - the Euros are so obsolete militarily that it is pointless for them to contribute any equipment at all.
Regarding Norway in particular, just how much of your national wealth comes from the oil under your land? Sure makes it easy to be charitable. |
This was on TV last night. Norway gives cash from a pool of monies collected through taxes. They are socialist and think all donations should be through government. That is all they give. They give almost nothing when you look at organized religious donations or other foundations that give to the needy. Like all the organizations in the US.
The use of our military/space infrastructure/technology added to the crazy cash we give away and then you have to add in all the religious/foundations that give even more....
The US gives too much. I would cut back until the rest of the world stepped up to the plate.
But they won't. We already know that.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 21:54 Post subject:
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scrotum your opnion doesn't even count.
you're worthless poo.
stfu you anti-american shitstorm
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Confused
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 22:56 Post subject:
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I think we should give money to the UN to redistribute, so that they can operate their rape rooms in the Congo. It's our government's duty to force its citizens to do this, just like Norway does. I feel ashamed that we don't donate more of our immense fortune to this cause.
Btw, Americans gave over $240,000,000,000 in voluntary charitable contributions last year. That's $70,000,000,000 more than Norway's entire GDP. I don't know how much Norway gives, but they want to RAISE compulsary national charitable contributions to 0.7% of GDP. Do the math. America already gives almost three times that amount per capita. s****y-ass Europe. You greedy m***********s.
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Frax
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 23:13 Post subject:
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Everyone (even the precious euro-peons) rely on a strong US economy. If we go down, everyone goes down. And who gives a flying f**k at a duck if our donations look small in relation to our GDP? Our GDP is larger than the next 2 or 3 nations combined. The figures are actually mind boggling compared to the 17 million scrotum mentioned. Colin Powell has already stated that US aid for this event will 'most likely exceed one billion dollars".. lets see any single other country put up that kind of resources. Name one country.. any one... you can't.. because they can't.
Scrotum just has GDP envy.
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Confused
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 23:15 Post subject:
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Well I found Norway's total charitable contributions...$1.8 billion. Let's compare.
Norway's Population: 4,500,000
Total giving: $1,800,000,000
Per capita giving: $400
US Population: 293,000,000
total giving: $240,000,000,000
Per Capita giving: $819
Yes, that means that Americans give TWICE as much money per capita than Norwegians and over 130 times as much money overall. I guess I can't blame their stinginess. If my country's economy grew at 1/5th the rate of America's, I guess I'd be very greedy too.
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kbarr
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 23:32 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: |
Norway's Population: 4,500,000
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It annoys me they even call this a country. My county has over 3 million, the next county over has over 4 million, then comes the 22ish million in NYC.
4.5 mill = a country...LOL. I bet our local PD is larger than their military
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Frax
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Posted: 12/29/04 - 23:38 Post subject:
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Colorado has about that same population.. and there is nothing but space in colorado.
Ahhhh the good old USA. Forever may she p**s off the peons
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Soriak
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 00:06 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Colorado has about that same population.. and there is nothing but space in colorado. |
Yeah, but seriously - who want's to live in colorado?
If you look at major cities (LA, San Francisco, New York etc) you have about the same population density as a european country - probably the same size/population of a small european country too...
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Scrabler
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 00:14 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | Colorado has about that same population.. and there is nothing but space in colorado. |
Yeah, but seriously - who want's to live in colorado?
If you look at major cities (LA, San Francisco, New York etc) you have about the same population density as a european country - probably the same size/population of a small european country too... |
Big cities and Euro countries blow. I love living with some decent space around me.
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Vekril
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 00:15 Post subject:
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| Quote: | Experts say charities tend to achieve more than government-to-government aid because they involve less bureaucracy, less corruption and closer ties to those in need.
"Private aid tends to be more effective," said Ian Vasquez of the Cato Institute. "It gets to the people that it's intended for, it's used generally in ways that help people."
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder returned early from vacation to supervise relief efforts. Germany pledged at least $27 million in aid. France has pledged at least $20 million. As a rule, Europeans rely more on government aid and less on private charities.
"A lot of the social and human service programs in Europe take place through the government. People are taxed more so we have a different system here, where there's less taxes and more being done through the nonprofit charitable sector," Borochoff said.
Another measure of U.S. generosity can't be found in the foreign aid budget. That's the cost of transport planes that are used to ferry supplies and navy vessels that purify tens of thousands of gallons of water. Added to that is the work of all the airmen, Marines and sailors who make it all possible.
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That about sums up the differences between America and socialist Europe, and yet again proves Scrotum to be an idiot.
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quotison
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 00:24 Post subject:
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I'm not sure why everything has to be a imperalist America vs. socialist Europe issue, when this disaster has little to do with both those regions of the world.
Anyways, if you feel that any region of the world is being too skimpy on their aid for this disaster, feel free to chip in some of your own cash, instead of b******g about it about it on Realpoor. Because I don't think Dubya reads this board. See links <a href="http://www.google.com/tsunami_relief.html">here</a>.
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kbarr
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 00:26 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | I'm not sure why everything has to be a imperalist America vs. socialist Europe issue, when this disaster has little to do with both those regions of the world.
Anyways, if you feel that any region of the world is being too skimpy on their aid for this disaster, feel free to chip in some of your own cash, instead of b******g about it about it on Realpoor. Because I don't think Dubya reads this board. See links <a href="http://www.google.com/tsunami_relief.html">here</a>. |
Where are you from?
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 01:31 Post subject:
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your ass
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 02:18 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Everyone (even the precious euro-peons) rely on a strong US economy. If we go down, everyone goes down. |
I agree, and everyone does, that's why Asian countries are buying us treasuries (sp?) and bonds in mass, and have been doing so for years. Private asian companies are buying American Credit Card debts. Did you really think your low interest rate was due to a strong economy?
| Frax wrote: | | Our GDP is larger than the next 2 or 3 nations combined. The figures are actually mind boggling compared to the 17 million scrotum mentioned. |
Your GDP is lots larger any other country, but you have 295,000,000 contributing to that GDP. It's hardly a measure.
Lets compare, shall we?
* US GDP: 10.99 trillion
* Lux. GPD: $25.01 billion
Now, Luxembourg has 465,000 citizins. Not bad eh? Not at all when you compare GDP/capita, where
* US GDP/cap: 37,800
* Lux GDP/cap: 55,100
| Confused wrote: | | Well I found Norway's total charitable contributions...$1.8 billion. Let's compare. |
Where did you find that total? Is that the amount spent on charity IN Norway? Does it include contributions abroad? Does it include the kind of donation they made to Tsunami Help-Program?
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kbarr
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 02:36 Post subject:
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| ATM Banana wrote: | | your ass |
Haha!
Excellent!
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euphonious
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 02:36 Post subject:
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Shut the f**k up, Ballsack.
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kbarr
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Posted: 12/30/04 - 02:39 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | Luxembourg has 465,000 citizins. Not bad eh? Not at all when you compare GDP/capita, where
* US GDP/cap: 37,800
* Lux GDP/cap: 55,100
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What the f**k are you talking about? Is this even a real place? You sure you didn't see this place in a movie? I'm not in the mood to google it, teach me.
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