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atarom
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 Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:02 Post subject: American SUV/Truck obsession
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Ok.
How many people here drive an SUV or Truck that they dont REALLY need??
I am SO f*****g SICK AND TIRED of seeing suburban wives driving around jacked up ford F-350's that sounds like a f*****g bus (seriously i thought it was a city bus and then i turned and saw it) with a shiny f*****g paint job-- not a f*****g scrap of dirt on the thing. WHAT THE f**k DO YOU NEED THAT FOR??
And those f*****g jackasses that think they're cool cause they have KC lights and tinted windows and their car is SO f*****g BIG that they have to park with TWO WWHEELS ON THE f*****g CURB so that their oversized penis-compensatory vehicle WONT BLOCK THE f*****g ROAD.
idiots.
so many mother f*****g idiots.
you DO NOT NEED THAT EXCURSION. you DO NOT NEED that mother f*****g escalade. you are not a gangster. you are not a rap star. you are not f*****g cool.
let's not even mention hummers.
is there even a speck of moral/societal conscience in that thick f*****g head of yours?
you are an idiot.
People who need trucks: Construction workers... farmers... um...
People who DONT need massive trucks: everyone else.
get a god damned clue.
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principessa
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:07 Post subject:
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Ok, soccer moms in SUVs with cellphones perched on their shoulders scare me....I guess there is something about having two tons of steel and fiberglass wrapped around your ass that makes you believe you are impervious both to traffic law as well as the traffic itself.
yea, 4wd is nice here in NY and places north due to the winter weather....what the average person <male or female> needs with anything larger than a 1500 series vehicle is beyond me....
watching all these guys tooling around in 3/4 ton pickups just for fun TO ME is a supreme waste of money that could be spent on another, cool toy-vehicle, like a Corvette 
ok, you have three kids...I would rather see them in a Suburban than a <gag me> mini van....and yea, when you go on vacation by car with the family, it is nice to have the payload space of a van/SUV.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:10 Post subject:
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Ok.
How many people here post on Realpoor when they don't really need to??
I am SO f*****g SICK AND TIRED of seeing generation Y asswipes making posts about shit that doesn't matter (seriously i thought one of these posts mattered until I realized it was written by some dumbfuck) WHAT THE f**k DO YOU DO THAT FOR??
And those f*****g jackasses that think they're cool cause they have fancy avatars and sigs with links to porn and their ego is SO f*****g BIG that they have to USE CAPSLOCKS so that their bloated penis-compensatory post WONT BE IGNORED.
idiots.
so many mother f*****g idiots.
you DO NOT NEED TO MAKE THAT POST. you DO NOT NEED that mother f*****g avatar. you are not a gangster. you are not a rap star. you are not f*****g cool.
let's not even mention the "pic post" section.
is there even a speck of moral/societal conscience in that thick f*****g head of yours?
you are an idiot.
People who need to post: People with at least half a brain
People who DONT need to post: everyone else.
get a god damned clue.
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principessa
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:11 Post subject:
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/applaud
You gotta love when someone makes a point and then backs it up with a real-life demonstration :p
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Syke
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:14 Post subject:
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What about chevy S-10's? :\ I drive one now..I use it to go surfing, snowboarding, prolly tow my friend's boat to the river this summer. Towed my other friend's dad's boat out to elsinore to go wake boarding once and uhh, I drive it to work and stuff.. it's not uber big, but it does guzzle gas, which is why I don't drive anywhere anymore (thx burning calories after skating to weinerschnitzel (god I love those corn dogs, greasy goodness.)
What about those idiots? err...people?
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:17 Post subject:
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I drove a truck (S10), and at the time I got it I probably didn't need it. My previous car was a Laser (read: go-kart) and I just wanted to be a little higher on the road for a change and I really like Chevy trucks. I wound up with an extended cab too, so it's not like I was losing alot of passenger space either.
As it turns out, about 18 months after I got my truck I got a job which required some equipment hauling. Nothing huge, but would have been impossible with my car.
Put simply: trucks are much more useful than cars, so why not get one?
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Vekril
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:18 Post subject:
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If every non-commercial truck adn SUV was replaced with a more efficient car the environmental impact would be negligible, as would the impact on our oil consumption, in the low single digit percentages.
The vast majority of oil consumed in this country is used by commercial trucks and other commercial uses. Consumer vehicles are a drop in the bucket.
But its a great easy target for the whiners to attack...
and for the record I drive a Jeep Cherokee with a gas guzzling 4 liter engine - I am 6'2 so I love the headroom adn legroom, as well as the improved road vision, storage space for moving, the nice pickup and power the larger engine gives me for highway driving, etc etc
Beyond that SUVs ARE safer vehicles to drive. If you take out the rollover accidents which are predominantly caused by stupid drivers, in all other accidents SUVs are significantly safer and have lower mortality rates than cars.
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Manuva
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:24 Post subject:
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1. Syke...you're not towing a boat with an S-10...they're f*****g Cavaliers converted into a truck...shittiest god damn things ever.
2. I have an Explorer, originally bought it to tow my boat. Used to have a Jeep Scrambler too, loved going 4wding in that f****r.
But we also get alot of snow, so, I kinda need the 4wd when my little ass sedan doesn't wanna go.
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:26 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | 1. Syke...you're not towing a boat with an S-10...they're f*****g Cavaliers converted into a truck...shittiest god damn things ever.
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My dad used to tow our boat with our '83 Monte Carlo. We got by just fine, a trailer went a long ways towards making it easier.
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principessa
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:28 Post subject:
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S10s and trucks of that size aren't REAL trucks  They are toy trucks, just like the baby Blazer I'll be getting soon!
I'm talking bout people running around in BIG trucks that have no reason to do so....they aren't hauling cargo for work, etc....
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Abiwabi
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:32 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | 1. Syke...you're not towing a boat with an S-10...they're f*****g Cavaliers converted into a truck...shittiest god damn things ever. |
They aren't even built on the same chasis/platform.
Besides I towed shit around with my 92 Camaro just fine.
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2. I have an Explorer, originally bought it to tow my boat. Used to have a Jeep Scrambler too, loved going 4wding in that f****r. |
The towing capacity of an S10 and a Explorer are about the same =)
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But we also get alot of snow, so, I kinda need the 4wd when my little ass sedan doesn't wanna go. |
There are cars with AWD/4WD that can do all the above and for much cheaper than a truck/SUV.
I agree with the majority of gripes concerning SUV's. People that buy them rarely use them to their fullest ability and would be just as comfy and get the same utility in a Minivan or a small station wagon. American's think station wagon=bad and SUV=cool. I drive an SUV because I need one =) I think there was a study done and 80-85% of all SUV's purchased with 4WD never leave paved roads...
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Syke
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:35 Post subject:
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It's not a f*****g house boat, it's a speed boat... my truck tows boats just fine shank u bery much!
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Fluxus the Rogue
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 14:38 Post subject:
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This is a Capitalistic society. Supply firmly meets demand on a daily basis. It's also a society that provides its citizens the freedom to choose how they spend their money.
However, the freedom to choose is limited by several factors. The two primary factors in this choice of which type of vehicle to drive are: 1) Level of Concern about the Environment and 2) Income.
To illustrate this fact, I ask you to consider why the guy that works in the mailroom at my company drives a 1986 Ford Escort. Does he drive this car because it gets 30+ miles to the gallon? Or, perhaps it's because he makes $17,000 per year? If you think he gives a rat's ass about the environment, and therefore chooses to drive a POS, think again.
So, why do people buy big SUVs? Is it to be cool? Or maybe pretend to be a rock star? Nope. It's because they can.
Show me a middle/upper-middle class person that takes the bus to work. Show me a rock star that shows up to the MTV awards on a bicycle. People with options don't choose fuel-efficient cars because fuel-efficient cars are small and have dinky engines.
Americans get shit all the time from foreigners about our SUVs. But, Americans also have more disposable income than anybody else in the world, and, therefore, more options. It also helps that the price of gasoline is usually under a $1.50 a gallon here in the U.S. because our government doesn't bleed us dry on fuel taxes.
You take a compact car driving European, move him to America and give him a $80,000 a year job, and he'll be up at the SUV dealership on his first lunch break.
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Xion
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:27 Post subject:
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my mom drove a suburban for 8 years...and she needed it.
family of 5....3 boys...myself and my 2 brothers. need a car that seats at least 7, plus peoples stuff....my mom also did a lot of construction on the house and would go to home depot and pickup supplies like whole sheets of plywood, etc.
you underestimate what mom's have to do with these cars...they're the equivalent of the old station wagons.
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Syke
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:31 Post subject:
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Ya, a lot more people in the US "CAN" buy an SUV, but does that mean they should? This is why we get flack from other countries about the SUV's.
We "CAN" do a lot of things other countries or people's can't ...but that doesn't make it right.
Just like I could say, im CAN give your mother a slowly burning disease that will shave off more than 10 years of her life...so that means I should do it right? because I can?
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compusmack
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:35 Post subject:
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For once i agree with atarom, SUV's are unnecessary and retarded. They are overpriced, inefficient, and more of danger to other vehicles that get hit by them. I really hate when they block your view when you are trying to pull out of a side street. Even though I hate them, I will agree that people buy them because they can, since this country offers you that option and gas here is cheap (relatively).
I would never buy an SUV, i'd much rather have a sport car or luxury car since they are more practical and i dont have a need to sit several feet above everyone else in order to drive safely.
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Kbarr
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:38 Post subject:
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Or...
You can a big truck AND a big car!
Europeans can get a Unimog!!!! now that makes a bad ass SUV.
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Fluxus the Rogue
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:42 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | Ya, but just because you "Can" be more detrimental to the earth's natural resources, does that mean you should? This is why we get flack from other countries about the SUV's.
We "CAN" do a lot of things other countries or people's can't ...does that make them right? |
I'm not sure I understand your question. I think you meant "does that make us right?" instead of "does that make them right?"
Would you prefer the government start using taxes as a way of dictating the behavior of its citizens? Take what the government does to cigarettes (massive tax) and apply it to gasoline. You would start seeing a consumer trend towards energy-efficient vehicles. This happened in the 1970s. Auto manufacturers stopped making the big cars with V8s and smaller cars became the norm.
If external factors (like oil production) force our society to buy more energy-efficient vehicles, then that's fine with me. But, if our government starts levying huge taxes on gasoline to force our behavior change, then I have a big freaking problem.
If you feel so strongly about it, join a volunteer group aimed at environmental education.
As for me and my house, we shall drive the biggest freaking gas hog my pay check can afford. 
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eqchanter
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:48 Post subject:
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| principessa wrote: | Ok, soccer moms in SUVs with cellphones perched on their shoulders scare me....I guess there is something about having two tons of steel and fiberglass wrapped around your ass that makes you believe you are impervious both to traffic law as well as the traffic itself.
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lmfao i almost got my new car creamed by a b***h like that. she almost plows into me with her rusted PoS truck that probably hasnt been washed or had an oil change since she used her husbands checkbook to buy it. im in a turn lane and she just pulls out into the same lane im in talking to whoever on her cell phone dont even signal, my passenger door is about even with her front bumper. so i pull off into the oncoming traffic lane speed up and go around her.
the b***h calls the cops on me saying i cut her off. i guess i should have slammed on my braks and let her pass probably only leaving a minor truck sized dent in my car and the trafffic behind me crush the back of my car or just go straght and let her tear a hole in the middle of my car.
go to love tennessee. glad im only here for 2 years for school. if it wasnt for the redlight in the oncoming traffic i would probably be bying a new car with her insurance money. the cops laughed at her and wrote her a ticket for wreckless drivng
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:50 Post subject:
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| compusmack wrote: | For once i agree with atarom, SUV's are unnecessary and retarded. They are overpriced, inefficient, and more of danger to other vehicles that get hit by them. I really hate when they block your view when you are trying to pull out of a side street. Even though I hate them, I will agree that people buy them because they can, since this country offers you that option and gas here is cheap (relatively).
I would never buy an SUV, i'd much rather have a sport car or luxury car since they are more practical and i dont have a need to sit several feet above everyone else in order to drive safely. |
A porsche gets 15 mpg. Tell me how that's more practical than the 17 mpg Ford Explorer.
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Frax
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:52 Post subject:
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I own a 1996 full size ford bronco 4x4, as well as a 2003 Jeep Wrangler. *shrug*
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 15:58 Post subject:
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Heh, compusmack, you and I both know an SUV/truck is a hell of alot more practical than a sports car or luxury sedan.
Oh and how often do you take advantage of your camaro's engine? Can't remember? No big surprise, you can only drive it 6 months out of the year.
Yes, I'd say quite practical!
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lotek
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 16:07 Post subject:
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does towing my ski boat count as a valid reason to have an chevy z-71?
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compusmack
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 16:16 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Heh, compusmack, you and I both know an SUV/truck is a hell of alot more practical than a sports car or luxury sedan.
Oh and how often do you take advantage of your camaro's engine? Can't remember? No big surprise, you can only drive it 6 months out of the year.
Yes, I'd say quite practical! |
I have 2 cars. I don't need to drive it in this horrible weather, but if i needed to it would be just fine. I sure remember how "practical" your s10 was when it was your turn to drive somewhere... "sorry guys i can only seat two...."
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Luturb
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 16:21 Post subject:
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| eqchanter wrote: | | the cops laughed at her and wrote her a ticket for wreckless drivng |
That's reckless driving. Wreckless driving is a good thing =D
| compusmack wrote: | | I sure remember how "practical" your s10 was when it was your turn to drive somewhere... "sorry guys i can only seat two...." |
Isn't that kind of an argument for the practicality of an SUV? You can't exactly drive a carpool in a Camaro either.
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compusmack
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 16:27 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: | | eqchanter wrote: | | the cops laughed at her and wrote her a ticket for wreckless drivng |
That's reckless driving. Wreckless driving is a good thing =D
| compusmack wrote: | | I sure remember how "practical" your s10 was when it was your turn to drive somewhere... "sorry guys i can only seat two...." |
Isn't that kind of an argument for the practicality of an SUV? You can't exactly drive a carpool in a Camaro either. |
Talking of SUVs and Trucks vs Sports cars and luxury cars. Im mapping sports car vs truck and luxury car vs SUV.
Regardless, i said i'd rather have a sports car or luxury car. Luxury cars often seat 5 comfortably, get better gas mileage than many SUV's, have better performance, and aren't as obnoxious on the road.
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 16:44 Post subject:
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I could seat three, and that third person would be alot more comfortable than the 3rd and 4th person in a Camaro, etc.
I didn't want to be the designated driver, so I used that as an excuse. I only admit that now because I have a larger car that comfortably seats 5.
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Syke
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 16:48 Post subject:
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| Fluxus the Rogue wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Ya, but just because you "Can" be more detrimental to the earth's natural resources, does that mean you should? This is why we get flack from other countries about the SUV's.
We "CAN" do a lot of things other countries or people's can't ...does that make them right? |
I'm not sure I understand your question. I think you meant "does that make us right?" instead of "does that make them right?"
Would you prefer the government start using taxes as a way of dictating the behavior of its citizens? Take what the government does to cigarettes (massive tax) and apply it to gasoline. You would start seeing a consumer trend towards energy-efficient vehicles. This happened in the 1970s. Auto manufacturers stopped making the big cars with V8s and smaller cars became the norm.
If external factors (like oil production) force our society to buy more energy-efficient vehicles, then that's fine with me. But, if our government starts levying huge taxes on gasoline to force our behavior change, then I have a big freaking problem.
If you feel so strongly about it, join a volunteer group aimed at environmental education.
As for me and my house, we shall drive the biggest freaking gas hog my pay check can afford. |
I edited my post a little since that first one to clear it up a little bit...but I will repeat..
We (pronoun taking place of "citizens of the US") "CAN" do a lot of things(noun) other countries or people's can't ...does that make them(pronoun taking place of "things") right?[/quote]
You have to take a step back and look at what you're trying to say...You're saying that you don't want "someone" to force behavioral change, but the current state of war IS forcing behavioral change..as long as bush decides its a showdown, were going to have to adjust to cater to the war. Just like in WW1 and WW2...people sacrificed a lot in participation (and probabaly some against their will) for the war. If you want to rid the world of Saddam, and you support the war, then you're going to have to stop half assing it, get off your recliner and help the f**k out, instead of just giving half assed opinions on whether or not we should be able to drive SUV's.
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Pags
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Posted: 03/13/03 - 16:48 Post subject:
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I drive a fully loaded 1998 Chevrolet 4x4 Tahoe, 4 door, w/ brush guard and brake light guards, and KC lights. 3" dual exhaust, and 32" BFGoodrich All-Terrain tires.
Why?
Because I can.
Plus, I'm a relatively big guy (6'4'ish 195lbs (lost weight ^^)), and I refuse to cram myself into a f*****g honda or something of similar size.
As far as offroading goes, I've probably gone 5 times in the nearly 2 years that I've had the truck. I'd go more, but I f*****g can't afford it. Already have had my power steering pump replaced twice, and was probably the cause of the early death of my alternator last semester 
I'm alot more conservative when I go offroading now, I won't do anything stupid to f**k anything up. I mainly bring my truck to pull out the ones that get stuck (Most people that go offroading my age have something like a jacked up Toyata or Ford Ranger or something, and my truck generally has the most power out there.
I'm just as sick of those f*****g rice burners as you are of SUV's.
Get over it.
edit: I bought the car off my dad once he replaced it w/ a new GMC Envoy. He bought the Tahoe for towing his boat and also b/c he's got 3 big kids that needed the room.
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Maelstorm
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In french-canada we have quality Peugot and Renault autos that use some gas but not much because $8/liter is much money for us poor french people. Someone should make a wine engine for super good!!! Or maybe frog-powered like hamsters in a ball because frogs have legs that are stronger than hamsters.
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