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Vekril
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Proper English = the standard American English that is taught in textbooks in schools and is the dominant world business language. It follows the rules of grammar and spelling. Ebonics is a subset of English, a dialect if you will.
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I may be a mild misanthrope, but not to the extent you believe. I do not hate liberals, I just like arguing with them and happen to disagree with their views. I similarly do not hate Christians, I just disagree with their beliefs (except the annoying evangelicals who try to force their beliefs on others and actively convert you - I hate them). I have no problem with most people - the only 2 groups I would say I actually have an active dislike for are those in the urban culture, and the orthodox Muslims/Arabs who have an irrational hatred for America and Jews and live in a culture that is 1000 years behind the times.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 18:18 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Ebonics is disgusting. The best thing about ebonics is it points out the n*****s who manage to hold some sort of important position. I love watching NAACP meetings on the news and listening to the leaders talk like thugs that live in the ghetto. |
....... as opposed to listening to people on the news who talk like they still f**k their sisters when they come home from raising barn walls?
I don't get everyone's hatred of Ebonics. It's annoying, I'll join you in that sentiment. Up until now, however no one has managed to prove why it's BAD or more to the point, why it's WRONG.
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Vekril
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 18:25 Post subject:
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It is bad because it butchers the English language. Often you cannot even understand a person who is speaking hardcore Ebonics, and when 2 people who are ostensibly both speaking English cannot understand each other you have an issue. A severe Southern drawl from rural Appalachian areas is a problem as well - a friend from law school used to make fun of white hicks from East Tennessee who spoke a lower form of English.
The main problem as I said earlier Nahualli is that it holds back urban blacks from success. Many of them speak ONLY Ebonics and cannot speak proper business English. This relegates them to jobs in the mailroom or driving a truck, and effectively blocks them from many of the opportunities of American society, including higher education.
If you speak Ebonics with your friends and proper business English with the rest of the world then there is no problem. Sadly this is often not the case.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 18:29 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | | Proper English = the standard American English that is taught in textbooks in schools and is the dominant world business language. It follows the rules of grammar and spelling. Ebonics is a subset of English, a dialect if you will. |
By that definition you don't speak Standard American English either then. You'll never succeed in the world of business nor escape the cycle of poverty.
Standard American English is a reverse archetype. It's about as "living" as the periodic table of elements.
Every single person who was raised speaking English in the US speaks Proper American English.
No one in the United States speaks Standard American English.
Mull over these two statements and get back to me when you understand.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 18:42 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | It is bad because it butchers the English language. Often you cannot even understand a person who is speaking hardcore Ebonics, and when 2 people who are ostensibly both speaking English cannot understand each other you have an issue. A severe Southern drawl from rural Appalachian areas is a problem as well - a friend from law school used to make fun of white hicks from East Tennessee who spoke a lower form of English.
The main problem as I said earlier Nahualli is that it holds back urban blacks from success. Many of them speak ONLY Ebonics and cannot speak proper business English. This relegates them to jobs in the mailroom or driving a truck, and effectively blocks them from many of the opportunities of American society, including higher education.
If you speak Ebonics with your friends and proper business English with the rest of the world then there is no problem. Sadly this is often not the case. |
No sir.. the problem you're not seeing is that you're placing the same undue blame on Ebonics as you are on Hip Hop. Ebonics is not the cause of any of the problems you have. If it didn't exist, you'd still have as many people on gov'ment cheese as you do now. It wouldn't change a damn thing. Ebonics lent itself to the culture of people who reinforced not giving a f**k about each other. It's not the language that came along and corrupted the people.
Funny you brought up the Tennessee hicks, because I wonder what you plan on doing about them. Do you want to nuke Tennessee so that we don't have those annoying mongrels polluting our language?
Just leave it be... people are going to be who they were meant to, and if they aren't successful, that's their problem, not the language's and certainly not yours. Accents can change, in case you haven't noticed yet. Culture doesn't. Your problem (as the original cited author stated) is culture. NOT music, NOT language, NOT education. It's culture. Leave it at that, please. After all, he's the wise historian - not you.
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Manuva
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 18:43 Post subject:
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The only positive thing to come from the black hip hop/rap culture was 2pac.
He was a voice of strength for downtrodden ghetto folk everywhere.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 19:33 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Ebonics is disgusting. The best thing about ebonics is it points out the n*****s who manage to hold some sort of important position. I love watching NAACP meetings on the news and listening to the leaders talk like thugs that live in the ghetto. |
....... as opposed to listening to people on the news who talk like they still f**k their sisters when they come home from raising barn walls?
I don't get everyone's hatred of Ebonics. It's annoying, I'll join you in that sentiment. Up until now, however no one has managed to prove why it's BAD or more to the point, why it's WRONG.
-Nah- |
Speaking for myself I talk very Southern/Redneck most of the time but hell even I use proper grammar/pronunciation when it's appropriate.
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Occulis
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 19:59 Post subject:
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lol nahoo says he hates blaques
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Nahualli
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 20:20 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Nahualli wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Ebonics is disgusting. The best thing about ebonics is it points out the n*****s who manage to hold some sort of important position. I love watching NAACP meetings on the news and listening to the leaders talk like thugs that live in the ghetto. |
....... as opposed to listening to people on the news who talk like they still f**k their sisters when they come home from raising barn walls?
I don't get everyone's hatred of Ebonics. It's annoying, I'll join you in that sentiment. Up until now, however no one has managed to prove why it's BAD or more to the point, why it's WRONG.
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Speaking for myself I talk very Southern/Redneck most of the time but hell even I use proper grammar/pronunciation when it's appropriate. |
Oh f*****g Christ almighty... ok for Scrabler, Vekril and every other c**t who continues to feel so threatened by Ebonics and its effect on the "unbutchered" English language (haha).
1. Click this link http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0877790477/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-3469737-2630311#reader-link
2. Buy that book.
3. Learn to talk like that. 100% of the time, no exceptions, no exemptions, no deviations, no excuses.
4. Then and ONLY then will you be speaking "Proper English" if you're so hellbent on finding a definition for it.
If you don't speak like that book says to 100% of the time guess what? You're just as bad as every n****r that speaks Ebonics in this country and you're butchering the language every time you open your mouth if you don't.
Standard American English is a f*****g reference table. It's like a multiplication chart or a periodic table. It's not a practical and tangible (audible??) thing. It's not something people speak, it's something people speak VARIANTS OF all across the nation. If languages had averages and means, that's what SAE would be. SAE is a tool that is used when comparing English as a whole to OTHER languages and other major dialectical variants of the same language (ie British, Australian, Canadian), it is NOT used to compare which state in the union speaks the "bestest" and it's certainly not used to discount or discredit newer and emerging dialects that have popped up over time. (Like Ebonics - zing)
That NJ accent of Vek's and that Alabama twang Scrabler has, in addition to every little thing you pick up in your subconscious thoughts as habit (like southerners who say "do whut?") are no different than Ebonics.
Ebonics speakers just make more noise than most people do, that's all.
Please to be getting over yourselves.
-Nah-
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Baha
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 20:34 Post subject:
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i bet the authors of that book get mad poon at every kegger then host
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kbarr
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Posted: 04/26/05 - 22:43 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | It is bad because it butchers the English language. Often you cannot even understand a person who is speaking hardcore Ebonics, and when 2 people who are ostensibly both speaking English cannot understand each other you have an issue. A severe Southern drawl from rural Appalachian areas is a problem as well - a friend from law school used to make fun of white hicks from East Tennessee who spoke a lower form of English.
The main problem as I said earlier Nahualli is that it holds back urban blacks from success. Many of them speak ONLY Ebonics and cannot speak proper business English. This relegates them to jobs in the mailroom or driving a truck, and effectively blocks them from many of the opportunities of American society, including higher education.
If you speak Ebonics with your friends and proper business English with the rest of the world then there is no problem. Sadly this is often not the case. |
No sir.. the problem you're not seeing is that you're placing the same undue blame on Ebonics as you are on Hip Hop. Ebonics is not the cause of any of the problems you have. If it didn't exist, you'd still have as many people on gov'ment cheese as you do now. It wouldn't change a damn thing. Ebonics lent itself to the culture of people who reinforced not giving a f**k about each other. It's not the language that came along and corrupted the people.
Funny you brought up the Tennessee hicks, because I wonder what you plan on doing about them. Do you want to nuke Tennessee so that we don't have those annoying mongrels polluting our language?
Just leave it be... people are going to be who they were meant to, and if they aren't successful, that's their problem, not the language's and certainly not yours. Accents can change, in case you haven't noticed yet. Culture doesn't. Your problem (as the original cited author stated) is culture. NOT music, NOT language, NOT education. It's culture. Leave it at that, please. After all, he's the wise historian - not you.
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LOL
The stupid, liberal, anti-American, mexican disease spreading f*g speaks.
I wonder f*g, do you think in english or spanish...
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Vekril
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 13:46 Post subject:
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Nah, you are so f*****g high and mighty that you are the one who is missing the point.
Southern drawl, Midwestern twang, New Yorkisms, and so forth are regional dialects that are SLIGHT variations on "generic American English." Ebonics is a MASSIVE departure from the English that everyone else speaks and is representative of a poorly educated subculture.
do you really think otherwise?
Anyway as I said before and you keep ignoring, Ebonics is a symptom not the cause, but it is part of the problem holding back black culture.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 13:52 Post subject:
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Nahualli, Ebonics is a major annoyance and is a direct link with hip hop/thug culture in this country. Ebonics is bad because it not only helps to promote poor grammatical skills, but it is also used hand in hand with demeaning terms, as well as the fact that it is improper and unprofessional.
Let's say I'm in a business, and I call a manufacturer in China, and I say "yo n***a wad up dawg hey I need 'dat sheeiiit by like toofsday o' elzz my customahz gonna be all up in my mofakkin face aight beyatch?" You think that the manufacturer I was dealing with will want to do a lot more business with me? No, because companies want people that are professional.
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principessa
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 14:37 Post subject:
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Sadly, any deviation from midwestern or western accents is seen in a poor light by many people. Heavy foreign accents, southern accents, NY accents--people are judged by those accents often because others perceive those people the same way they perceive actors on tv with those accents. Stupid, thuggish, whatever negative connotations are assigned to those types of accents.
My voice and diction instructor in college pretty much said that to us and since that time I have made a concerted effort to suppress a LOT of the NY out of my voice when I speak to others, especially if I am speaking in front of people. Of course, give me a few drinks, and watch my Bronx come out LOLOL
Same goes for the blacks you are talking about. The nicest southern black man can be perceived as a thug based on how he talks because when we see people in media talking the same way, they usually either are thugs or want to be seen as such, etc.
I cringe down here in the south when the "leaders" (black or white) open their mouths to speak, especially when they are speaking to children. Many of the leadership/authority figures who are southern-born-and-bred do not speak what is considered "proper" English down here..tenses are f****d up, pronoun/verb associations are screwy...and that's exactly how the kids speak as well.
Many of the kids ask me why they can't write the way they speak (as in an essay, for example), and when I explain to them that they don't speak "proper" English, I get comments like, "are you telling me I don't know how to talk?" etc. None of the comments are nasty to me since I get along with the kids, but that sentiment is definitely there, and I can easily see certain kids getting REALLY defensive when the wrong comment may be made to them.
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shinja mayoke
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 15:45 Post subject:
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I grew up partially in Florida and mostly in Georgia. I have a completely neutral accent with the exception of using 'yall'.
I dont mind slight regional accents, but ANY heavy southern, ebonic, northern, whatever accent gets on my f*****g nerves big time.
Its not like it is difficult to learn the proper way to pronounce a word. There is nothing wrong with slang, but there is definitely something wrong with NOT being able to speak without the use of slang.
When I was in grade school I remember being incredibly impatient when it was 'take turns reading to the class time' at all the little fuckwits who stumbled over every god damn word in the third ... or even 6th ... or even 10th grade. When someone with one of these s****y accents is speaking around me it is apparent these are those kids who took 5 minutes to f**k up a 5 word sentence full of 4 letter words.
Speak however you wish amongst your peers. Please to be speaking COMMON and not ORCISH in public.
As was stated above, different regions or cultures in the US deviate from proper American English by varying degrees...but there is absolutely no excuse why anyone with an IQ of 80+ cannot learn to SPEAK COMMON.
All that b******t on TV lately promoting 'GIT ER DONE' or 'PIMP MY RIDE' or whatever else is...f*****g TRASH. Its NOT FUNNY. Its completely irresponsible of the media to imply that 'pimp' anything is somehow positive, when you figure that a PIMP IS SOMEONE WHO BEATS UP HOOKERS FOR MONEY.
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Deiahova
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 17:43 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | It is bad because it butchers the English language. Often you cannot even understand a person who is speaking hardcore Ebonics, and when 2 people who are ostensibly both speaking English cannot understand each other you have an issue. A severe Southern drawl from rural Appalachian areas is a problem as well - a friend from law school used to make fun of white hicks from East Tennessee who spoke a lower form of English.
The main problem as I said earlier Nahualli is that it holds back urban blacks from success. Many of them speak ONLY Ebonics and cannot speak proper business English. This relegates them to jobs in the mailroom or driving a truck, and effectively blocks them from many of the opportunities of American society, including higher education.
If you speak Ebonics with your friends and proper business English with the rest of the world then there is no problem. Sadly this is often not the case. |
Haha, you should hear the guys from England at my school b***h about how we (Americans) destroy the English language. You say that NY, southern etc accents are slight deviations from the "standard" whereas ebonics is completely different; then our English (or American) must be an abomination.
Kbarr, shut the f**k up. Wow, he's gay and mexican, let me make fun of him...oh and i'll call him liberal while i'm at it because i'm cool like that. Yes, and relishing one man beating the f**k out of the other is so American and "right" in the world.
Now I assume this will lead to some moronic onslaught on me for being "emotional" or maybe even "a liberal piece of shit."
Look at me! I'm Kbarr the pillar of reason and everything American and holy. Anyone not uberconservative, white, who enjoys shooting/beating ofher human beings is unworthy.
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kbarr
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 18:24 Post subject:
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| Deiahova wrote: | | Anyone not uberconservative, white, who enjoys shooting/beating ofher human beings is unworthy. |
Not exactly, but you are starting to get the idea.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 20:29 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | Nah, you are so f*****g high and mighty that you are the one who is missing the point.
Southern drawl, Midwestern twang, New Yorkisms, and so forth are regional dialects that are SLIGHT variations on "generic American English." Ebonics is a MASSIVE departure from the English that everyone else speaks and is representative of a poorly educated subculture. |
Umm.. no .. no they aren't. Not slight in the least. You really thinnk a full blown Southern dialect is a small variation of SAE? Hahahaha...
Oh shit haha... you just called me high and mighty.. what's next, Kbarr calling me an idiot?
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Nahualli
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 20:32 Post subject:
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I wonder f*g, do you think in english or spanish... |
Spanish
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Brael
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 20:32 Post subject:
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| Deiahova wrote: | | Yes, and relishing one man beating the f**k out of the other is so American and "right" in the world. |
Technically beating the shit out of people is American. We beat the shit out of the English and created the US. We beat the shit out of the Mexicans and got Texas. We beat the shit out of the southerners and put down a rebellion. If you don't relish beating the shit out of people Lincon beating the shit out of a bunch of white slave owning farmers must not have been American or right.
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Deiahova
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 20:45 Post subject:
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| Brael wrote: | | Deiahova wrote: | | Yes, and relishing one man beating the f**k out of the other is so American and "right" in the world. |
Technically beating the shit out of people is American. We beat the shit out of the English and created the US. We beat the shit out of the Mexicans and got Texas. We beat the shit out of the southerners and put down a rebellion. If you don't relish beating the shit out of people Lincon beating the shit out of a bunch of white slave owning farmers must not have been American or right. |
Wow. Thank you for that intellectual masterpiece. We must have loved fighting for equal representation in Parliament, because, I mean, if we could just have it then we wouldn't want it. I'm sure we loved taking territory by brute force. And I'm sure that our government right now is waiting for Scrabler and the rest of the South to start another rebellion just so we can go down there and kick their asses!
Yes, America relishes open conflict which explains why we were so slow to commit to WWI and WWII and why we p***y-footed around in Vietnam. The only exception is our current war with Iraq where we decided to go against an international commitee that we pretty much created (a commitee designed, by us, to make open conflict in the future unnecessary except in extreme situations via a number of sanctions, embargos etc).
We maintain the ability to beat the shit out of any other country out there, so why the f**k don't we go take over the world? We relish combat/killing so much!
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kbarr
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 21:59 Post subject:
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| Deiahova wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | Deiahova wrote: | | Yes, and relishing one man beating the f**k out of the other is so American and "right" in the world. |
Technically beating the shit out of people is American. We beat the shit out of the English and created the US. We beat the shit out of the Mexicans and got Texas. We beat the shit out of the southerners and put down a rebellion. If you don't relish beating the shit out of people Lincon beating the shit out of a bunch of white slave owning farmers must not have been American or right. |
Wow. Thank you for that intellectual masterpiece. We must have loved fighting for equal representation in Parliament, because, I mean, if we could just have it then we wouldn't want it. I'm sure we loved taking territory by brute force. And I'm sure that our government right now is waiting for Scrabler and the rest of the South to start another rebellion just so we can go down there and kick their asses!
Yes, America relishes open conflict which explains why we were so slow to commit to WWI and WWII and why we p***y-footed around in Vietnam. The only exception is our current war with Iraq where we decided to go against an international commitee that we pretty much created (a commitee designed, by us, to make open conflict in the future unnecessary except in extreme situations via a number of sanctions, embargos etc).
We maintain the ability to beat the shit out of any other country out there, so why the f**k don't we go take over the world? We relish combat/killing so much! |
Bush is President.
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Brael
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 22:27 Post subject:
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It wasn't meant to be an intellectual masterpiece but I'm glad it turned out this way. We commited slow to WW2 and it costed heavily, we commited slow to Vietnam and again it costed us bad. Noticing a pattern? If you think something needs to be done don't do it half assed and then back down when others challenge you.
Anyways, we already own the planet, the moon, and we'll claim Mars as our own eventually too.
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Ashley
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Posted: 04/28/05 - 15:50 Post subject:
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yeah brael- what a shame that all is... it just costed us so bad!!!
wait... wasnt this thread about speaking proper english?
Even if you had written the tense correctly the sentence still would have been off... sorry for being a grammar nazi (I know mine isn't always correct), but that just bothered me 
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Nahualli
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Posted: 04/28/05 - 15:54 Post subject:
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| Ashley wrote: | yeah brael- what a shame that all is... it just costed us so bad!!!
wait... wasnt this thread about speaking proper english? |
You read my f*****g mind. I was in the process of typing out a scalding reply to it then I just thought it wasn't my business to, as the thread had derailed and it wasn't really about English anymore.
However, yes... the past tense of "to cost" is still "cost". Brael may not be black but if he says "costed" in a place where "proper English" is expected, it won't really matter that he's not.
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kbarr
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Posted: 04/28/05 - 16:04 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | | Ashley wrote: | yeah brael- what a shame that all is... it just costed us so bad!!!
wait... wasnt this thread about speaking proper english? |
You read my f*****g mind. I was in the process of typing out a scalding reply to it then I just thought it wasn't my business to, as the thread had derailed and it wasn't really about English anymore.
However, yes... the past tense of "to cost" is still "cost". Brael may not be black but if he says "costed" in a place where "proper English" is expected, it won't really matter that he's not.
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Disease spreading mexican f****t.
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kbarr
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Posted: 04/28/05 - 16:05 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | | Ashley wrote: | yeah brael- what a shame that all is... it just costed us so bad!!!
wait... wasnt this thread about speaking proper english? |
You read my f*****g mind. I was in the process of typing out a scalding reply to it then I just thought it wasn't my business to, as the thread had derailed and it wasn't really about English anymore.
However, yes... the past tense of "to cost" is still "cost". Brael may not be black but if he says "costed" in a place where "proper English" is expected, it won't really matter that he's not.
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Disease spreading mexican f****t.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 04/28/05 - 16:21 Post subject:
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Nice double post 'genius'!
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Ashley
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Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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Location: Amfek.org
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Posted: 04/28/05 - 16:22 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | | Ashley wrote: | yeah brael- what a shame that all is... it just costed us so bad!!!
wait... wasnt this thread about speaking proper english? |
You read my f*****g mind. I was in the process of typing out a scalding reply to it then I just thought it wasn't my business to, as the thread had derailed and it wasn't really about English anymore.
However, yes... the past tense of "to cost" is still "cost". Brael may not be black but if he says "costed" in a place where "proper English" is expected, it won't really matter that he's not.
-Nah- |
I thought you were in favor of people speaking slang (which is where they learn the incorrect usage of words typically... if not at home).
Honestly, schools need to find a way to encourage reading more, it would solve a lot of the issues brought up in this thread.
I can confidently say that after 5th grade my school did nothing but discourage me from reading (im not saying that they came out and said not to..), but schools have become so focused in covering the classics and analyzing every sentence of each book that they've made reading a chore rather than an enjoyable way to pass time. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that reading classics and analysis skills are important, but they really need to work on making kids want to read. For example, two years ago we read The Green Mile, and it was probably the only interesting and enjoyable book that we read the entire year. Another example is that my school had a class for juniors on literature of peace and conflict (essentially all war books), which was a great start, but i still dont think they've caught on.
Add to this watching tv for 5+ hours per day of mind numbing stuff like MTV. Don't get me wrong, i used to watch MTV a lot, and I still do from time to time, but not for the time that I see parents have their kids now. I guess that i was lucky enough to grow up with my dad putting the discovery channel/science channel on and now that I've grown out of the MTV crap I'm tuning to that instead, which at least has some value.
Anyway, I could go on for a while, but /rant off... i didnt even mean to respond to this thread  oh well
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kbarr
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 04/28/05 - 16:24 Post subject:
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| Qaldyin wrote: | | Nice double post 'genius'! |
Aren't you the little greek guy who moved to FloridA?
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