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Carnican
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 Posted: 06/30/05 - 02:23 Post subject: Am I missing the P2P court ruling thread?
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I did a forum search for:
"Supreme Court has ruled that file-swapping software companies .."
and got no results that looked tasty by topic title alone.
...so, where's the thread?
http://www.cnet.com.au/software/music/print.htm?TYPE=story&AT=40055584-39025669t-10000104c
| Quote: | US Supreme Court rules against file swapping
John Borland, CNET News.com
June 28, 2005
URL: http://www.cnet.com.au/software/music/0,39025669,40055584,00.htm
The US Supreme Court has handed movie studios and record labels a sweeping victory against file swapping, ruling that peer-to-peer companies such as Grokster could be held responsible for the copyright piracy on their networks.
In a unanimous decision issued Monday, the nine justices said companies that build businesses with the active intent of encouraging copyright infringement should be held liable for their customers' illegal actions.
"We hold that one who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement," Justice David Souter wrote in the majority opinion.
The decision comes as a surprisingly strong victory for copyright companies and stands to reshape an Internet landscape in which file swapping has become commonplace.
The ruling will give the recording industry and Hollywood immediate ammunition to file lawsuits against other file-trading companies. It could also be a boon for legal music services such as Apple Computer's iTunes, which could see their strongest competitor -- freely downloadable songs -- driven further underground.
It won't immediately shut down access to the trading networks, however. The court's ruling sends the case back to the lower courts, which will review the evidence against Grokster and co-defendant StreamCast in the light of Monday's decision.
Record labels and movie studios immediately hailed the decision as an unambiguous victory.
"The most important message from today's historic decision is that progress and innovation do not have to come at the expense of recording artists, songwriters and the people who make their living in the entertainment industry," Warner Music Group CEO Edgar Bronfman said in a statement. "This important decision will allow artists and the creative community to prosper side by side with the technology industry."
The peer-to-peer companies involved warned that the high court had opened the floodgates to litigation against a wide variety of technology companies, but said that they would continue to distribute their software and that they expected to be cleared of any wrongdoing.
"We are confident that it will be proven that Morpheus does not promote or encourage copyright infringement," said StreamCast Chief Executive Officer Michael Weiss. "We're staying in this for the fight. We're going to continue to innovate and come out with new products."
Cloud over Silicon Valley?
The justices were reviewing a pair of US lower-court decisions in which both courts said that file-swapping companies such as Grokster were not liable for the copyright infringement of people using their software. The nation's top court heard oral arguments on the case in late March.
With the potential to rewrite the US Supreme Court's 1984 Sony Betamax ruling that made VCRs -- and by extension any technology with "substantial noninfringing use" -- legal to sell, the decision has been closely watched across Silicon Valley.
Technology companies have feared that a new copyright-focused standard aimed at controlling peer-to-peer networks might result in a rise in lawsuits aimed at blocking new products. The Betamax ruling had protected generations of products, ranging from CD burners to Apple's iPod to personal computers.
In its majority ruling Monday, the court did not make any detailed changes or clarifications to that 1984 decision. However, Souter did write that the Betamax decision had not been meant as a shield for companies that actively induced or encouraged their customers to infringe copyrights. The peer-to-peer companies appeared to fall into that category, he wrote.
"There is no evidence that either company (Grokster or StreamCast) made an effort to filter copyrighted material from users' downloads or otherwise impede the sharing of copyrighted files," Souter wrote. "Each company showed itself to be aiming to satisfy a known source of demand for copyright infringement, the market comprising former Napster users."
Essentially that means the Betamax ruling's protections still will apply in most cases, lawyers said. However, the ruling does dispel the most expansive interpretation of that decision, under which any product with any legal use, no matter how minimal, was viewed as necessarily legal, said Thelen Reid & Priest attorney Michael Elkin.
"I don't think the Sony Betamax decision ever gave a get-out-of-jail-free pass to anyone," Elkin said.
Critics of the ruling said that the court provided no clear standard or test to define inducement, aside from noting several instances in which the peer-to-peer companies appeared to cross the line.
Some in the technology world said the result could lead to more litigation against young companies with new technologies.
"This is a very dangerous decision for technology and innovation," said Ed Black, chief executive officer of the Computer and Communications Industry Association. "If you think of the Sony decision as a shield or an umbrella, we're afraid some holes have been punctured in that umbrella."
Added Michael Petricone, vice president of technology policy for the Consumer Electronics Association: "It is a real concern for the entire industry. We are faced with competitors in China and India who do not face the same litigation burden that companies will with this decision."
Not everyone in Silicon Valley took a bleak view of the ruling, however. An Intel spokeswoman said the company was still studying the ruling, but noted that the court seemed to have upheld the most important aspects of the Betamax decision.
Changed landscape for digital content?
The decision isn't likely to eliminate file swapping. Many of the most popular services are decentralised enough that they can exist even if a parent company disappears. Many peer-to-peer services also are based outside the United States or have been created by overseas programmers.
US courts have shown their willingness to reach overseas companies in some cases, however. Already, a Los Angeles court has ruled that Kazaa parent Sharman Networks, based in Australia, maintains enough business connections in the United States to be sued in American courts.
If the decision -- and subsequent lower court actions -- pushes file-swapping services further underground, it can only help companies such as Apple that are selling music and movies online, music service executives said.
"I think the Supreme Court did the right thing, in a lucid way," said Rob Glaser, CEO of RealNetworks. "I think it will make a difference in the long slog to convert the industry over to legitimacy, by not allowing businesses to do this kind of nudge-nudge wink-wink marketing."
Apple, Napster and other digital music services also hailed the ruling as a vindication of their business models.
The decision could also be a boost for companies such as Shawn Fanning's Snocap or Audible Magic, which offer technology for filtering copyrighted files out of peer-to-peer swaps, or turning those swaps into transactions. Today that available filtering technology focuses only on music files, but tools are being developed to identify and block movie downloads.
"To the P2P operators, the LimeWires and the eDonkeys: We want to work with you," said Mitch Bainwol, chief executive officer of the Recording Industry Association of America. "This is time to come forward and start filtering. We can build a better digital age together."
Although the decision technically leaves the file-swapping companies' fate to the lower court, it could hold the seeds of a quick decision in favor of Hollywood and the record labels. Souter's ruling noted that the original trial judge granted summary judgment to Grokster, but said the lower court should instead immediately reconsider the copyright companies' request for summary judgment.
Souter was supported unanimously in his decision by all nine justices, a rare level of agreement on controversial cases. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote one concurring decision that was joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy and William Rehnquist. Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a second concurrence, joined by Justices John Paul Stevens and Sandra Day O'Connor. |
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 02:32 Post subject:
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this is the end of the internet.
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Sovreign
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 02:34 Post subject:
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We'll still have the interweb.
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 02:41 Post subject:
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gore will turn it off in a few minutes, mark my words.
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Carnican
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 02:57 Post subject:
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The Sony vs Betamax ruling is what's protecting your CD-Rom and DVD burners and thier manufacturers.
This judgment has the potential of overturning that ruling.
Ultimately, the potential for Western Digital or Fujitsu (as a means to store the material) can be held liable.
This isn't a penny-ante ruling, by any means.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 02:59 Post subject:
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things like this will be told to grandchildren during story time 60some years from now.
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 12:10 Post subject:
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| ATM Banana wrote: | | gore will turn it off in a few minutes, mark my words. |
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motherface
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 12:19 Post subject:
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Grokster got owned because they marketed themselves as "DOWNLOAD ILLEGAL SONGS FROM US FOR FREE!" and then claimed they did nothing wrong.
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 12:29 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | Grokster got owned because they marketed themselves as "DOWNLOAD ILLEGAL SONGS FROM US FOR FREE!" and then claimed they did nothing wrong. |
lol... dumbasses
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Posted: 06/30/05 - 12:35 Post subject:
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Like the f*****g guys who sued Google today for "click fraud," who happen to sell Click Fraud software. They don't appear to be Google customers or clients, they just sued Google as a publicity stunt for their s****y software.
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