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Occulis
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 Posted: 01/06/05 - 16:58 Post subject: 8 questions about warriors
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My gf decided she liked priest, so it looks like Dunn the night elf warrior is her duo partner.
Main reason I didn't stick with druid? Weapons don't matter when you're in bear form. Except for stats (+stam, etc), your weapon is irrelevant. No matter how good your weapon is as a druid, your melee DPS is fixed in bear and cat form.
Also, we took a census last night on Frostwolf. Of ~2k alliance online, there were about 720 humans, 720 elves, 200 gnomes and 200 dwarves. Something like 500 pallies, 600 hunters, 700 rogues, 250 wars, 250 priest, 175 druid.
I'm thinking of going for a pvp build starting from scratch, since I'll always have a healer with me.
Also I have a couple questions about misc warrior stuff:
* Are crossbows any good? Or should I stick with bows?
* Since almost all the talents that do extra damage do "weapon damage + X", doesn't this mean wielding a 40dps 1 hander results in s*****r talents than a 40dps 2 hander, since the 2 hander will be a lot bigger and slower, thus doing more "weapon damage + X"?
* Are there any warriors who jump from stance to stance? It seems like you'd stay in 1 stance almost all the time.
* Does every warrior go Fury spec? The others look lame.
* Is "jousting" in pvp timing your swings so you're out of range 90% of the time and in-range only for your own swings?
* Why the heck doesn't anyone in auction house sell herbs?
* Has Xismakin figured out his parents aren't really his parents yet?
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Occulis
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 16:59 Post subject:
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Hmm those #s don't add up. Maybe there were less pallies online. I dunno. Anyway, hi.
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atarom
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 17:29 Post subject:
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xbows = bows = guns same shit different look. it's just a matter of keeping skill up.
whatever gets you the dmg you need.
I see herbs in AH all the time
i dunno the warrrior stuff... but jeez yer server must be crowded. i've been taking at random times for the last week and i still only have about 1400 total in my census
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NinjaBurger
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 18:02 Post subject:
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If you're going for raw PvP spec, stick with fury/arms right away. Be sure to get Mortal Strike eventually, too.
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Occulis
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 18:08 Post subject:
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| NinjaBurger wrote: | | If you're going for raw PvP spec, stick with fury/arms right away. Be sure to get Mortal Strike eventually, too. |
Can't get both mortal strike and bloodthirst, though.  Hm... MS can occur every 6 seconds with enough rage, bloodthirst only after every kill.
I wish there were a global talent or uh.. .something... to let anyone put points into cutting down the time between quaffing potions. 2 minutes hoses up my PvE sometimes.
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Syke
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 19:21 Post subject: Re: 8 questions about warriors
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* Are crossbows any good? Or should I stick with bows? - So far I've managed to keep my skill in crossbows, bows, and guns all up to max skill...the reason I do this is just in case I can up my DPS with a better weapon from either class...it does help alot in the long run, but you may feel like a loot w***e from time to time when in groups. 
* Since almost all the talents that do extra damage do "weapon damage + X", doesn't this mean wielding a 40dps 1 hander results in s*****r talents than a 40dps 2 hander, since the 2 hander will be a lot bigger and slower, thus doing more "weapon damage + X"? - you are correct...I bring weapons of every class with me wherever I go so that I can take full advantage of the highest DPS weapons i can find, and the extra dmg from using skills that do "weapon damage + X" it's a pain in the ass switching back and forth all the time, but if you like to get the bang for your buck this is the way to go.
* Are there any warriors who jump from stance to stance? It seems like you'd stay in 1 stance almost all the time. - Mostly I use Battle Stance, but you need to go defensive if you get into group situations. When you start using defensive stance more, you will benefit from the skills you can use that are specific to that stance, and youll end up switching back and forth more often. Quite a few abilities are useable in either stance, so you wont be left in the dark.. but youll get more DPS in battle stance. It's more for soloing than anything.
* Does every warrior go Fury spec? The others look lame. - I forget which one is fury, the middle one? I'm going arms atm (at least I think..havent played in a while) for the mortal strike ability...it seems to be "the" warrior ability in terms of DPS. I have put a couple points into fury, like + critical hit etc.. just for extra dps, but for the most part I'm into arms.. I will switch (i heard its possible) to defensive when I get into the higher levels, however, if I feel like i need to do more defending/taunting.. you cant get mortal strike and +taunt speed all at once, so that sucks.
* Is "jousting" in pvp timing your swings so you're out of range 90% of the time and in-range only for your own swings? - no idea, probably...
* Why the heck doesn't anyone in auction house sell herbs? - *shrug*
* Has Xismakin figured out his parents aren't really his parents yet? - I think that's why he's so cynical and retarded most of the time...how else can someone be that pathetic?
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NinjaBurger
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 19:24 Post subject:
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Mortal Strike is by far the better ability, simply because Fury doesn't have THAT many talents that'll make you go "Wow, that'd be great." (Death Wish is really neat though!) Arms has a lot more bang for your buck imo, but your opinion may vary. Fury has a lot of nice abilities, but you gotta remember: You're a tank first, not a damage dealer.
My personal recommendation if you're going to go for a strong PvP build. Comments are welcome from warriors with more PvP experience!
Fury Mastery
Booming Voice Rank 2
Cruelty Rank 5
Improved Demoralizing Shout Rank 5
Unbridled Wrath Rank 1
Piercing Howl Rank 1
Blood Craze Rank 3
Improved Battle Shout Rank 1
Enrage Rank 5
Fury Total: 23
Protection Mastery
Anticipation Rank 5
Protection Total: 5
Arms Mastery
Deflection Rank 2
Improved Rend Rank 3
Improved Charge Rank 2
Tactical Mastery Rank 5
Anger Management Rank 1
Deep Wounds Rank 3
Two-Handed Weapon Specialization Rank 5
Impale Rank 2
Arms Total: 23
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Finigan
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 20:36 Post subject:
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Umm.. bow/xbox/gun skill really has like zero use to a warrior, even with max skill you're hitting for like.. 30 damage tops. So don't listen to these hunters. Basically get whichever one you like or whichever one you can get an item with stats on, kinda like EQ you will mainly just use it to pull, so even if you're missing it doesn't matter.
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Occulis
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 22:36 Post subject:
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| Finigan wrote: | | Umm.. bow/xbox/gun skill really has like zero use to a warrior, even with max skill you're hitting for like.. 30 damage tops. So don't listen to these hunters. Basically get whichever one you like or whichever one you can get an item with stats on, kinda like EQ you will mainly just use it to pull, so even if you're missing it doesn't matter. |
how aboot when i'm rooted!~!!1
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Kurel
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 05:15 Post subject:
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* Are crossbows any good? Or should I stick with bows?
Go for the highest damage for ranged. Ranged weapons are good for warriors when you're rooted. I regularly plink annoying newbie mages with my gun for 500+ damage and end up finishing them off.
* Since almost all the talents that do extra damage do "weapon damage + X", doesn't this mean wielding a 40dps 1 hander results in s*****r talents than a 40dps 2 hander, since the 2 hander will be a lot bigger and slower, thus doing more "weapon damage + X"?
A good 2-hander build is a must for PvP. Use a shield and 1-hander only when you're tanking in PvE. Axes tend to have the highest damage, but slower speed. Since Mortal Strike and Overpower ignore weapon speed completly, and this is where a warriors burst damage comes from, I tend not to care too much about weapon speed or dps, but rather the raw damage range of the weapon.
* Are there any warriors who jump from stance to stance? It seems like you'd stay in 1 stance almost all the time.
Switching from Battle > Defensive for a disarm, and then back to Overpower utterly destroys Rogues and other warriors.
Switching from Battle > Beserker so you can intercept casters who try and kite you ruins their day.
Tactical Mastery is a great talent to have (I didn't think so when I first started playing, but "Stance Twisting" is an awesome technique).
* Does every warrior go Fury spec? The others look lame.
Fury is rather lame. A full Arms build with the rest into Fury is what most PvP warriors do, and it works out very well.
* Is "jousting" in pvp timing your swings so you're out of range 90% of the time and in-range only for your own swings?
Circle Strafing nets better results then jousting. Most fights don't last very long in PvP.
* Why the heck doesn't anyone in auction house sell herbs?
Alchemists are whores and use them all?
* Has Xismakin figured out his parents aren't really his parents yet?
No, and he never will.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 11:54 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | * Has Xismakin figured out his parents aren't really his parents yet? |
haha
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Cryz
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Posted: 01/09/05 - 12:15 Post subject:
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xbows.. bows.. guns.. no one gives a f**k... train them all .. and equip what ever has best stats =P
stances- battle stance is the winner pretty much.. though i jump stances alot for quick stance only abilities with my rage convservation talent (see below)... toggling to defensive to disarm a rogue or warrior will win you the fight... charge is awesome yes? everyone knows this.. but what about that f*****g mage that keeps blinking away? toggle berserker stance and intercept his f*****g shit.. mortal strike his face and execute his soul....
Talents - defense talents eat my ass.... fury talents eat your ass... i hate how cookie cutter the warrior talent system is in that.. any warrior that wants to be a winner.. has to spec heavy arms... i spec to the tune of 37 arms... 11 fury... 3 defensive ... tactical mastery is a talent that lets you retain up to 25 rage when you switch a stance.. this will let you get off any important stance bound ability (whirlwind for pve, intercept for pvp, disarm for both) why arms? its simple muh friend... mortal strike and sweeping strikes... even in its nerfed state mortal strike adds the dmg of heroic strike to yer weapon dmg.. and gives you an instant extra attack.. and reduces healing for 10 seconds by 50%... this includes potions kids!... sweeping strikes.. yer next 5 melee attacks hit a nearby target... stacks with cleave FYI... so if you wanna swing 4 times in 1 round when fighting 2 or more mobs... and keep agro fairly well on both those mobs... arms tree for the win
for curiosity reasons... in arms.. i skipped heroic strike... i never use that ability.. period... got the rend line all the way to deep wounds.. these 2 help against rogues... overpower talent... overpower is yer rogue killer baby... learn it.. live it.. love it... the tactical mastery line... 2h weapon spec... and i have sword weapon spec cause i recently had a destiny (purp sword) 2 improved hamstring,, sweeping and mortal strikes.. of course  ... fury... cruelty.. extra crit is winnar... demoralizing shout because its pre-rec to AE snare for 10 rage.. no limit of targets....... 5 cruel... 5 demor... 1 piercing howl = all the fury you need
defense... i grabbed like... 3 points of + defense skill... cause i had nothing else interesting to choose from
or... if yer an alliance warrior.. DUAL WIELD WINS MAN!... FURY SPEC LOZZLE ROCKS!... like.. when cryz critical hits me.. for like 800 man... i get 10% of my regen during combat man! HAHA for REALZ
and! when i atually get the kill shot on something.. instead of a rogue or mage... yea baby you know it! BLOOD THIRST!... that means my next hit does twice as much dmg man! tobad i f*****g dual wield 2 low dmging weapons though! MAYBE I CAN LEAD WITH HEROIC STRIKE ROFL STILtSKIN!
if you are horde... one more piece of advice for you... when fighting a paladin... you have a choice to make... fight? or leave.... and for me its all about their guild tag son... because when i look up there.. and i see exiled.. or kali compton... i know theres more zerglings in the area.. and no way.. will i kill this f*****g paladin fast enough... to be one my way before onslaught arrives... if its a guild you never heard of... kill the f****r and camp his corpse at least once.. cause his invulns will be down ^_^
thx bai~
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Rennol
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Posted: 01/10/05 - 02:58 Post subject:
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Check the forums at www.worldofwarcraft.com for warriors, there are a billion different discussions about the possible talent builds.
Personally I think they are all good.
Arms seems to be good at PvE, lacking in PvP, but decent all around.
Fury I've seen guys claim insane DPS on it, but you have to be a really good player, use all of the warriors abilities and stances constantly, etc.
Protection, friend of mine went protection up to concussion blow, it rocks. His shield wall lasts a long time, and he has shield discipline too. Improved revenge rules, 40% stun.
One skill you definitely want to get is Tactical Mastery, secondly you need Improved Overpower.
Beyond that I guess you can do what you want!
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Cryz
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Posted: 01/10/05 - 14:31 Post subject:
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dunno how you can say arms lacks in pvp with shit like improved hamstring, improved overpower... tactical mastery... and a lil skill called mortal strike =P halving all healing done to somone is awesome in pvp... even melees can chug potions
as far as fury doing crazy dps if yer a good player... also... dunno wtf yer talking about =p fury is easily the auto attacker's talent build with flurry and enrage, shit like that... its no harder to use effectivly than arms... piercing howl is cool outta fury.. all i spent in the tree was 11 to get it alone... decent for pvp i guess.. but considered droping it
concussion blow does seem kinda cool now being next melee.. so you dont gotta stand and cast it... but dont think its really worth specing protection for... maybe on a blue server protection is cool... but then its like... well wtf i need concussion blow for? =P
i guess alliance and horde could be so different that this shit would make sense as a lighty... i know horde warriors have alot more rage to spend because of windfury totems...
different strokes fer different folks i suppose!
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Ikkan
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Posted: 01/10/05 - 14:44 Post subject:
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Protection all the way
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Xismakin
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Posted: 01/12/05 - 01:16 Post subject:
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God damn, why am I one of the questions, this blows c**t!
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