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Confused
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 Posted: 05/07/04 - 14:25 Post subject: 2.6 million new jobs
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I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 14:27 Post subject:
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God I've been waiting for a week for this to come out. Thx man 
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sinrakin
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 14:32 Post subject:
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It looks like the prospect of a Kerry win in Nov is stimulating the economy!
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 14:33 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | It looks like the prospect of a Kerry win in Nov is stimulating the economy! |
Eat shit and die.
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Luturb
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 14:36 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | It looks like the prospect of a Kerry win in Nov is stimulating the economy! |
LOL
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killswitch
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 14:38 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
McDonald's can only hire so many people 
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Zoggs
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 14:38 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
In the end canadians will be the last ones laughing, weather its Bush or Kerry in November =\
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 14:42 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Zoggs wrote: | | Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
In the end canadians will be the last ones laughing, weather its Bush or Kerry in November =\ |
Until they get raped by Mooses, or is it Moose? Or Mise?
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:05 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
Too bad your summary doesn't include the indication that most of these are short term jobs. When you're looking at job creation, the *smart* move is to look at the net total, not the gross total.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:06 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
Too bad your summary doesn't include the indication that most of these are short term jobs. When you're looking at job creation, the *smart* move is to look at the net total, not the gross total. |
lol. d*****s. The typical leftist response. To bad for facts, huh?
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quotison
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:07 Post subject:
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I don't think anyone's debating the economy isn't better then it was in 2003 
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:13 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | | I don't think anyone's debating the economy isn't better then it was in 2003 |
No, but factory jobs are not seasonal. Besides, these figures are all adjusted for seasonal positions.
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:13 Post subject:
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If each column on that graph indicates one month, then you're not looking at month-over-month increases, which is the only accurate indicator.
Factory jobs are on the increase in part due to protectionist tarrifs that have come and are coming into position. While it remains to be see, these tariffs, while increasing factory jobs in the short-term, will result in retail layoffs long-term as the costs of imports and domestic goods both rise. We're already seeing the huge effect that the skyrocketing costs of steel are having on the auto industry. Fuel cost increases will only compound this.
Couple that with the fact that those factory employment stats were already at practically record lows, and all you can say is that the *potential* for recovery is there, but that recovery itself is far from established.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:26 Post subject:
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | If each column on that graph indicates one month, then you're not looking at month-over-month increases, which is the only accurate indicator.
Factory jobs are on the increase in part due to protectionist tarrifs that have come and are coming into position. While it remains to be see, these tariffs, while increasing factory jobs in the short-term, will result in retail layoffs long-term as the costs of imports and domestic goods both rise. We're already seeing the huge effect that the skyrocketing costs of steel are having on the auto industry. Fuel cost increases will only compound this.
Couple that with the fact that those factory employment stats were already at practically record lows, and all you can say is that the *potential* for recovery is there, but that recovery itself is far from established. |
rofl. Excuses, excuses.
First of all, stop saying "we". You are canadian.
Secondly, there are no new protectionist tariffs, d*****t. Bush took those down as soon as he put them up a couple years ago.
Thirdly, that graph shows month over month increases because it shows absolute values of orders per month. 20% increase over last year.
Fourthly, we have economic growth greater than Clinton ever experienced under his term.
Fifthly, and I can't emphasize this enough....you're Canadian.
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Andur Ravenblade
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I don't really care either way in regards to this argument at the moment, but you really suck at debating WNWS.
Are you sure you aren't like Maelstorm and found pics of a guy and his wife on the internet to post? You seriously debate like a 15 or 16 year old. All the insults really kill any point you might've been trying to make.
Not to mention you've gotten downright boring to read. Guess i'll just start skipping over your posts, like i do with Paden. Just thought you should be informed. Have fun.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:38 Post subject:
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| Andur Ravenblade wrote: | I don't really care either way in regards to this argument at the moment, but you really suck at debating WNWS.
Are you sure you aren't like Maelstorm and found pics of a guy and his wife on the internet to post? You seriously debate like a 15 or 16 year old. All the insults really kill any point you might've been trying to make.
Not to mention you've gotten downright boring to read. Guess i'll just start skipping over your posts, like i do with Paden. Just thought you should be informed. Have fun. |
Ironic, since you said nothing in this post other than "waaaahhhh! I don't like you!!!"
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Nobunaga
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:42 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Confused wrote: | | Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
Too bad your summary doesn't include the indication that most of these are short term jobs. When you're looking at job creation, the *smart* move is to look at the net total, not the gross total. |
lol. d*****s. The typical leftist response. To bad for facts, huh?
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He asks you about the difference between what was reported about jobs and your response is showing a graph of increased factory orders? lol, wtf? Yes, there is always an argument about the validity of short term/temporary jobs being included in employment figures but the point is that white collar hires has increased dramatically and that the economy is turning around...finally. Hopefully unemployment percentages will continue improve since it only went down .1% and job growth will continue correct the now 1.4 million net loss in jobs under the Bush Administration. With economic growth be sustained? To early to tell but it is recovering.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:47 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Nobunaga wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
Too bad your summary doesn't include the indication that most of these are short term jobs. When you're looking at job creation, the *smart* move is to look at the net total, not the gross total. |
lol. d*****s. The typical leftist response. To bad for facts, huh?
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He asks you about the difference between what was reported about jobs and your response is showing a graph of increased factory orders? lol, wtf? Yes, there is always an argument about the validity of short term/temporary jobs being included in employment figures but the point is that white collar hires has increased dramatically and that the economy is turning around...finally. Hopefully unemployment percentages will continue improve since it only went down .1% and job growth will continue correct the now 1.4 million net loss in jobs under the Bush Administration. With economic growth be sustained? To early to tell but it is recovering. |
Read what I say, moron. Factory jobs are not seasonal. He was lying and saying these are all seasonal jobs, when these numbers are adjusted for seasonal positions anyway. You leftists are pathetic.
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Andur Ravenblade
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| Andur Ravenblade wrote: | I don't really care either way in regards to this argument at the moment, but you really suck at debating WNWS.
Are you sure you aren't like Maelstorm and found pics of a guy and his wife on the internet to post? You seriously debate like a 15 or 16 year old. All the insults really kill any point you might've been trying to make.
Not to mention you've gotten downright boring to read. Guess i'll just start skipping over your posts, like i do with Paden. Just thought you should be informed. Have fun. |
Quote the part where I said "I don't like you". I just don't understand why you choose to debate in such an immature style is all. And your reply to my post just reinforces that notion.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 15:55 Post subject:
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| Andur Ravenblade wrote: | | Andur Ravenblade wrote: | I don't really care either way in regards to this argument at the moment, but you really suck at debating WNWS.
Are you sure you aren't like Maelstorm and found pics of a guy and his wife on the internet to post? You seriously debate like a 15 or 16 year old. All the insults really kill any point you might've been trying to make.
Not to mention you've gotten downright boring to read. Guess i'll just start skipping over your posts, like i do with Paden. Just thought you should be informed. Have fun. |
Quote the part where I said "I don't like you". I just don't understand why you choose to debate in such an immature style is all. And your reply to my post just reinforces that notion. |
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[quote="Andur Ravenblade"] | Andur Ravenblade wrote: | I don't really care either way in regards to this argument at the moment, but you really suck at debating WNWS.
Are you sure you aren't like Maelstorm and found pics of a guy and his wife on the internet to post? You seriously debate like a 15 or 16 year old. All the insults really kill any point you might've been trying to make.
Not to mention you've gotten downright boring to read. Guess i'll just start skipping over your posts, like i do with Paden. Just thought you should be informed. Have fun. |
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Numbers look great on paper but let me tell you how it works in my circle right now.
We have to develop an application that is going to unite all the business units in our section of an international corporation.
Sounds good, want to keep our workers busy.
Jobs get created to fill in our development and tester positions.
Sound like a winner, report to the fed we have to create X amount of jobs.
We tell the fed that story out of one side of our mouths then out of the other the business units come in an schedule meetings on how these newly created jobs need to be outsourced to off shore vendors to provide a cost savings...
Sooooo... jobs are created and then promptly shipped off. This is still a huge issue and will be brought up in a matter of weeks if not days. Watch and see when the Bush camp starts harping on it's shallow victory.
I can't speak for the nation but from my persistent and immediate view of the practical world off of paper my coworkers are more f****d now than before. But then I live in the real world and not off numbers that appear as statistics.
Great for business cost, nothing personal… but that’s the point isn’t it?
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 16:29 Post subject:
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| Andur Ravenblade wrote: | | I just don't understand why you choose to debate in such an immature style is all. And your reply to my post just reinforces that notion. |
The place you fall down is assuming "debate" happens on Realpoor.
See my political forum thread to understand this in greater detail.
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Nobunaga
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 16:32 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Confused wrote: | | Nobunaga wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
Too bad your summary doesn't include the indication that most of these are short term jobs. When you're looking at job creation, the *smart* move is to look at the net total, not the gross total. |
lol. d*****s. The typical leftist response. To bad for facts, huh?
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He asks you about the difference between what was reported about jobs and your response is showing a graph of increased factory orders? lol, wtf? Yes, there is always an argument about the validity of short term/temporary jobs being included in employment figures but the point is that white collar hires has increased dramatically and that the economy is turning around...finally. Hopefully unemployment percentages will continue improve since it only went down .1% and job growth will continue correct the now 1.4 million net loss in jobs under the Bush Administration. With economic growth be sustained? To early to tell but it is recovering. |
Read what I say, moron. Factory jobs are not seasonal. He was lying and saying these are all seasonal jobs, when these numbers are adjusted for seasonal positions anyway. You leftists are pathetic. |
You've got to be one the dumbest people whose posted here. If you're gonna spew rhetoric, at least post accurate info. Again, for the millionth time, I'm Republican but a moderate one who isn't a blind lemming such as yourself.
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 16:46 Post subject: Re: 2.6 million new jobs
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| Nobunaga wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Nobunaga wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Confused wrote: | I recall a few months ago people laughing at the Bush administration's projection of 2.6 million new jobs this year.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040507/D82DQ2IG1.html
So far there are 867,000 new jobs this year. Extrapolate that for the rest of the year, and you have 2.6 million. Dumbasses. |
Too bad your summary doesn't include the indication that most of these are short term jobs. When you're looking at job creation, the *smart* move is to look at the net total, not the gross total. |
lol. d*****s. The typical leftist response. To bad for facts, huh?
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He asks you about the difference between what was reported about jobs and your response is showing a graph of increased factory orders? lol, wtf? Yes, there is always an argument about the validity of short term/temporary jobs being included in employment figures but the point is that white collar hires has increased dramatically and that the economy is turning around...finally. Hopefully unemployment percentages will continue improve since it only went down .1% and job growth will continue correct the now 1.4 million net loss in jobs under the Bush Administration. With economic growth be sustained? To early to tell but it is recovering. |
Read what I say, moron. Factory jobs are not seasonal. He was lying and saying these are all seasonal jobs, when these numbers are adjusted for seasonal positions anyway. You leftists are pathetic. |
You've got to be one the dumbest people whose posted here. If you're gonna spew rhetoric, at least post accurate info. Again, for the millionth time, I'm Republican but a moderate one who isn't a blind lemming such as yourself. |
You are a moron of epic proportions. The economy has been recovered for years. It has been incredibly strong for 3 quarters now. It will be sustained for the duration of this economic cycle, which will be a couple of years. I said this many months ago. The economy is a 6-month leading indicator to employment. The stock market is a 6-month leading indicator to the economy. A year ago the stock market began a rapid rise, so I correctly predicted a rise in employment at the beginning of this year. I am right. Never dispute me.
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Actually, I know Nobu irl and he's very smart and business savvy. In fact I think he actually owns his own business manufacturing cell phones so he’s infinitely qualified to address your statement. Much more than anyone I know that posts here, myself included.
Best not f**k with him son, cuz I got his back.
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| Quote: | | The economy has been recovered for years |
From who?
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| Banzai wrote: | Actually, I know Nobu irl and he's very smart and business savvy. In fact I think he actually owns his own business manufacturing cell phones so he’s infinitely qualified to address your statement. Much more than anyone I know that posts here, myself included.
Best not f**k with him son, cuz I got his back. |
Too bad he's wrong.
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| Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | Actually, I know Nobu irl and he's very smart and business savvy. In fact I think he actually owns his own business manufacturing cell phones so he’s infinitely qualified to address your statement. Much more than anyone I know that posts here, myself included.
Best not f**k with him son, cuz I got his back. |
Too bad he's wrong. |
Brace yourself, I'm just going to get out of the way and watch this from a comfortable distance.
I've done my part, Nobu is close to the practical modle. I know this as fact not b******t internet bravado.
No offence to you but since I've hung out with the guy I know he knows how his shit works.
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:00 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | Actually, I know Nobu irl and he's very smart and business savvy. In fact I think he actually owns his own business manufacturing cell phones so he’s infinitely qualified to address your statement. Much more than anyone I know that posts here, myself included.
Best not f**k with him son, cuz I got his back. |
Too bad he's wrong. |
Brace yourself, I'm just going to get out of the way and watch this from a comfortable distance.
I've done my part, Nobu is close to the practical modle. I know this as fact not b******t internet bravado.
No offence to you but since I've hung out with the guy I know he knows how his shit works. |
You "think" he owns his own business and yet you know his savviness so well? I started a $3 million company at the beginning of the downturn. What's your point?
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| Confused wrote: | | You "think" he owns his own business and yet you know his savviness so well? I started a $3 million company at the beginning of the downturn. What's your point? |
Yes I "think" so. Forgive me for not "knowing" the ins and outs of his professional aspirations but I "know" enough to "know" he's got a good idea about how manufacturing jobs work.
I "know" this because I have physical evidence that he "knows" his shit. As opposed to you whom could be a bag of gas for all I "know", who complains about the cost of a fairly inexpensive wedding ring.
So when talking in terms of real economic functions I'm going to have to back up Nobu whom I "know" to be legit over you whom I suspect is full of shit.
Nothing personal.
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